thanks guys. i have already ruff scored it and it grosses 146 p&y. To give you an idea about the mass the base measurments were 4.5 and 4.75 so the pics dont do the mass justice. and as for the age from the trail cam picture he seems to be more like 4.5 or older with the sway back, big belly, big blocky head and long snout but after i got him im saying more like 3.5.