Thank's, I'll give Allan a call, I just looked and I have 2 bags of the MMP's that I forgot I had becasue I been buying the TC XTP's with them so I never used them. I have 2 different sizes, I'll try em all and see what works best for fit and accuracy. And while Im at the Pro shop I'll see what he has for sabots too, never looked there because I never needed them. Mabey He'll have the Blue 40/50's, he's got a-lot of stuff, mabey even the 10mm XTP's, after all it is a Pro Shop, and I should support my local Business. Better go, times a wasting, almost 5, colses at 5........I'll let you know............Ron