Shot a new 2009 Ross Carnivore and HOLY **** amaznigly smooth draw and very very fast. 71# 29" draw with a 350gr arrow 328fps chrono'd. I shot the 31" A.T.A. bow and yeah its short fast and quiet with no string suppresors, no stabilizer and the new Octane drop away. Yeah this might be a new bow for me if I can afford one in '09
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