I agree many peple use more gun than they need. Although, I enjoy shooting them with my 45/70 Marlin 1895, or my Marlin 444. The 45/70 works very well with a 300 grain Barnes Original over a stout dose of Reloader 7. The 444 works well with the Hornady 265 grain flat point. For me both have been 100% bang flops, so far. That has been on 40 to 200+ pound hogs.Pistols and bows are fun too, but above all I want meat.