Not being argumentative with you Dana, you quoted everything I said last except the part where I said I agreed more data is needed. Trouble is, KDWP is the only one who could provide the data we desire and their response obviously says they have no intention of providing any more than what they do.

IMO, part of the reason they do not wish to try and get an accurate count of the deer herd is man-power, they cannot get more staff now as it is. NASA flyover counts, I am sure most tag recepients would not have a problem paying a bit more for accurate data collection, but the legislature is looking for incoming revenue, not outgoing. Consider that over 95% of Kansas property is privately owned, many landowners would not allow KDWP on their ground to get an accurate count, how would they ever convass the entire state every year?

I have never had much faith in the documenting of meeting minutes. Very rarely do they document the entire meeting. I have viewed their written meeting minutes to see if what had taken place was included. One of the last meeting I went to lasted nearly 3 hrs, with much debate and discussion, there was one page of minutes, and none of the deer issues were included. Media releases, samething, they give them what they want read, not all sides.