I'm not real worried about a big buck so much anymore. I've killed a few nice bucks, This year I killed my two does by the 10th of October. Guys kill the deer, Screw the outfitters, stop and talk to the guy that's farming, get pemission and kill some deer. Up in winnabago county they have been having the county kill the deer due to C.W.D. they don't care, buck, doe, spike it all goes down.