Ancient and archaic is what comes ot mind when I think of anything having to do w/ PAPGC and it's rules. I'm hunting in PA, don't worry about that one my friend. I spend a ton for deer licenses to fill the freezer and have ground there. Again, my and other more modern hunters will buy what we need, enhance the hunting opportunities to more than am elite few bow huntersm and get deer. It's funny how you say OH deer buck population is great. We coexist w/ other hunting types and still pull massive racks and deer out. Yea, I know crops etc. but look in eastern and SE OH and you will see habitat same as PA. Did you think maybe it's the way the program and people have run the deer program in the past, closed minded and using antiquated systems and ideas that might have done that? An example isthe OTC license sales, states all around you have them installed and running for years, PA well that is it's own story....... Maybe w/ progressive thinking and ideas that outsiders bring to the table PA can make a deer herd comeback, however w/ feelings and thoughts as expressed by a few here who seem to think the majority should be listening to them only, I beleive you will still be complaining,and maintaining your "the woods, it's mine, mine all mine" attitudes as your game hunting keeps going down hill. I will always hunt in PA, no matter where i live. But that does not mean I will not be lobbying w/ what resources I can to see and make change that I and others feel would be for the betterment of the game program.