Thanks guys. I generally stand to shoot anyway so I don' t think the bar with be a problem. I do have a few places that are a fair hike to get into but I am planning on buying one of those two wheeled game carts to transport my stands almost all the way to my tree and then of course hopefully my stand and a deer all the way out. The thing that attracted me to the summits is virtually everyone talks about how quickly, easily and securely they attach to the tree. I have used an Ole Man climber for the past two years and it may seem nitpicky on my part but I hate the way it attaches to the tree. Those pins that you must get through the hole and the loop of the cable. The cable loop invariably turns sideways after you insert it up the tube with the holes in it. Add pre-dawn and post sunset darkness to the equation and the procedure gets even more difficult. Also, the web net seat on these ole man stands start out fairly comfortable but over time as the mesh stretches you end up with a narrower and narrower band of seating material under your a$$. Yes you can replace them but its a pain (you basically have to completely disassemble the stand) and they only last about one season each. There are some good features about Ole Man stands. They are reversable for gun or bowhunting which is nice, light to carry and are pretty stable on the tree. I' m looking for more ease of attachment and comfort for all day hunting though.