i shoot both the winchester silver ballistic tips and the federal vital shocks (they have the red tips that look like the nosler handloads my grandad used to have). i only use the 150 grain ones and have blown shoulders into nothingness as far as 297 yards and as close as 40. i'm talking it will hit the bone and make it into a coarse sand like substance. i honestly think i prefer the vital shocks or the handloaded nosler ballistic tips.