I did'nt hunt Pa. again this year so im not sure if my visions count or not,,,,that being said,,,i vision the same old guys pi$$in and moanin about the same old $hit the last quarter of the 2009 hunting season. The hunters in Pa. used to be some of the most respected in the union but those days are so far from gone that the space shuttle itself could'nt retrieve that respect! The Hunting family as a whole in Pa. in so torn apart by the current issues of "DEER MANAGEMENT"that ya'll will never be able to agree. Like Rob/PaBowyer said in another forum "The PGC Did not pull the trigger" Wow!!! that could not have been said any better,,,and that being said "enough said". I waited all season to see what the Pa. guys were shootin with all the "BS" i read before season on here and let me tell ya,,,,i was not impressed,,,,,some good bucks killed for sure,,,but not the pics i was expecting. (take a glance down at the south forum and look at whats been killed in va. this year with virtually no restrictions at all) Theres no doubt that areas in Pa. have been mismanaged and overkilled and if your not able to acknowledge that after how many years of this constant bitchin and fightin on forums across the websites,,,then i feel fer ya!,,,money allocationsnor jobs are going to fix your problems,,,you guys better take a good look in the mirror and decide for yourselves how your going to fix the problem