Eng40sqd, I agree with you. Just a bunch of crybabies. Sittin up a tree, waiting for deer. Pathetic. I'll turn loose a pack of dogs whenever I want, regardless of the new or old laws. Do those still hunters complain when my dogs run a buck to them and they shoot it? NO WAY!! I'm doing them a favor by turning dogs loose. I've killed plenty of deer my way, and I'm gonna keep on doing it. My club has run into a few #%$ yankee hunter wannabees, and we treat them like we see them. I belong to the HHA and when all of get together at the public forums, the wannabees back down. There is power in numbers. Keep turnin them loose and screw the crybabies! VDGIF is on our side, not theirs. Why should I give two craps about them?