I do not wish to call some ones rifle a "throw away object". Although some of the MZ's out there are pretty inexpensive. I guess the best way to look at it is like this. I know a lot of guys who traded or sold their CVA's and Traditions rifles for a TC or a Knight rifle. But I have not meta person who traded or sold their Knight or TC for a CVA or Traditions rifle. I guess that is the best way to look at it.

TC has done a fantastic job over the years. But they have changed their marketing over the past few years, and this has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth for TC. This has nothing to do with their quality or craftsmaship, just their marketing. When I think about the Pro Hunter and how much more they charge over the standard Encore........... Well I do not like the substantial extra charge for the Pro Hunter.

The problem TC has is they went for the "BARNES" method of marketing. They feel they have to come out with something new every year. There is something to be said about consistent long term quality.

Speed of cleaning now seems to be the current "BUZZ" for MZ's. But how much time do you really save(unless you shoot the Savage)?? And at what price??

As I stated earlier I really like the Knight "Disc" system. It may take a little longer to clean. I will not argue about that. But with the advent of using a 209 primer, for my fumble fingers the discs are just easier to handle. And IMO give a better gas seal(non-scientific). And as I have said befoe I have never found the Knight rifles to be finicky(unlike TC). Knight's just seem to shoot whatever you "stuff" down the bore. Even the less expensive models. Tom.