new ones come with a sit strap for climbing. For what it is worth, I ran an ad on AT that I wanted to trade my DB blind BS5 for a LW handclimber. The hand climber guys wouldn't part with their stands, but guys were really wanting to trade their sit and climb lw's to me. I wouldn't bite. Hand climber or nothin 4 me. I want compact and I aint draggin that big seat out with me.Also guys are running ads on thre always wanting the hand climber upper as they want to ditch the big seat. Something to think about.