You can tell how important the subject is by the number of comments. Mathew and Hoyt are both big boys and will continue to discuss the products for the imediate future. Mathews being the Company on top may not have the best product but if they don' t, at least the majority of the people think they do. That is what Advertising is all about. The only advance that Hoyt has been able to make is that next year they are including a Crying towel with each bow. The experts keep making excuses for Hoyt but none of them work for the company, they are all posting their opinions on the IBO Forum. Case Closed.