I am shooting a Savage at 2350 fps and I am using a Barnes Origonal 300g (458 diameter) rifle bullet for 45/70 with a .452 Crushed Rib sabot. I have shot 4 deer this year with this bullet, and all have given great penetration, great expansion and good blood trails, if ya need one for 20 yards. I like the bullet, but it is too much recoil for me,so next year I plan on going back to 5744, no need to shoot the more powerful powder since I am not shooting long fields in the mid west or big open spaces out west. Most of my shots under 100, one spot between 100 and150 at absolute max, so 3" high at 100 on this bullet will give me MPBR of about 180, which is plenty.I may shoot a 300g Barnes TSX 45/70 bullet again with CR sabot, this is a great bullet, very similar to a Barnes MZ, but .458so an Orange MMP is good for it and a CR works great in my Savage with 5744.

I also use the300 Barnes MZ in my Omega with 100g of Blackhorn. Very accurate, very reliable killer bullet, shoot thru, great penetration. I don't use the Barnes Origonal in my Omega,because I wanted to shoot anotherBarnes bullet and because I like to experiment with good bullets; got4 packages on sale on theTraditions site in about May for about$9 for 15 Barnes bullets, which is a great deal.

Bottom line, Barnes bullets have all 4 of the "MLer Court":
King is accuracy
Queen is penetration
Prince is expansion without fragmentation
and Princess is shoot thru with over 90% weight retention.

Gotta have all 4 present for the court of MLers to perform, Barnes does this perfect so far in my mind. Noslers do it also. Gold Dots do it also. There are others that do the court and do it well.
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