Elk really move so much, especially when they get shot at a time or two. The herd I finally got patterend this year, and killed a cow out of, wouldn't even get up until 10 minutes until dark and they were in bed before you could even see in the AM. They were bedding halfway up a scree-slope mountain and there was just no way to go to them there. Lots of people were hunting the area, but none were seeing elk. Everyone was physically so close, yet so far from elk. I can't believe DIYer's (that don't have a few weekss) are ever successful to be honest. It's a tough game.