I am brand new to the Flint arena and am getting ready for the Flint season in PA.This is my experience to date. I shot about 25 shots of 3F out of my Lyman Deerstalker (1/48 twist) using Grafs 3f 80 grain charge. I also used it for the prime just a touch towards the outside of the pan. I used the supplied flint. I sighted on the bench using the TC Cheap shots, supplied sabot in 240 grain. It is shooting inside the pie plate middle at 100 yards consistently. I have some other conicals and such that were sent to me to try but time.......... The 3f just kept shooting, the lock is fast and I swabbed 50/50 simple green/alcohol between shots. I used 1 dry patch after each swab both sides.