Yes, Like I said there is no access to that place without asking permission or tresspassing. Them roads are no longer accessible. Use to be the old city dump for like leaves and stumps but no longer accessable. Them roads didn't go up to the SGL anyways. They stopped about 300yrds from them. There use to be lots of big deer up there and alot of deer for that matter. Only a few people hunted it. Ever since the doe tags came out in large quanity that place has been dead for deer I have to say. But there are a few deer left up in that area because of the posted land. Not many but some. But back on track. No access. I even asked the PGC and they told me to ask the farmer if I could use their property to access it. I was like WTF? I shouldn't have to ask anyone to access that property. That is no BS to. It was over at the rifle range I asked them when they was looking it over to remodel it. They was dumb founded when I told them all access was closed and blocked to get there. It is all land locked.