RE: ladder and permanent stands
I should also mention, something that most already know, but when using ladder stands I generally cut whole (small) cedar trees down, or trim some limbs from a near by tree from up as high as possible or some thick brushy looking pines or holly (can hurt climbing sometimes lol) and use plastic zipties (or tie wraps, whatever u call em) and zip tie them to the verticle bars on my ladder, and brush in the top the same way, with limbs ziptied vertically, as to help break me up. Very effective. I try to use ever greens of some sort for durability and quietness. Need to try to get some pics up.