I checked out graybeards website. Good info there, thanks again. Well, it looks like the guys that have 1 MOA or better Handi rifles are having to work for it, and put some money into it. Will be cheaper to shelve it, and get the Mossberg 100 ATR. Now I just have to decide between the .243 and the .270. Like I said, most of my shots will be 100 to 200 yards with occasional over 300 yards on whitetails here in SC. Will also be shooting coyotes and beavers.