I never rode with the HOG chapter. I didin't like people telling me where we were going....what time we were gonna be there......what time we would leave.....etc.... Sounds to much like a cruise ship to me.

I had a group of about 10 of us who rode (not all together....all the time).....or I just rode, alone (which was great, sometimes). I hear ya about the HOG chapters. Freakin joke IMO (At least they are, here). It's a rollingbike/fashion show.

I might have been riding with the "wrong people".....lol...but it's not for the reasons you cite.