Just spent the 1st week in 2D. I counted well over 200 deer. Probably same ones over and over. A few small bucks not legal shooters. I hunted various terrain and usually by myself in unpressured areas back in the mountain. Duroing the 1st rut in November I saw a alot of legal bucks and in fact more than I saw doe. I also will say that the locals and other camps I visited got skunked as well. I mean guys that traditionally get deer were skunked. Here is my thought: I think these bucks as they get older are getting smarter and hiding better! Jeeze what a dummy you say, well I think this year will be the proof as guys are going home skunked. Got to change how we hunt again just like when they brought on the 4 point one side rule. Older bucks are smarter. Saturday was not the shooting fest I thought we would have actually quiet and I think because it was cold people quit. I',m thinking the deer drives are going to have to come back, because I'm to freaking old to be hanging off the side of the river hill side holding onto a laurel bush to keep from sliding to the bottom. LOL I agree w/ Sproulman (suprisingly) I think Flint season is going to be my buck season. I will probably hunt the 1st day of buck because it is tradition (if they keep this rule) only and then come back the second week for a day or 2 . I know I will spend more time in Flint lock season from now on, as very little pressure, usually snow, deer are back in their patterns and the game wardens are snug in their beds! LOL