Jeff what don't you understand here?? If you come here in Nov, Dec, Jan and see what is going on with dogs you will see why I don't get to bowhunt like you do this time of year... Im a member of 2 clubs so I can bowhunt there during bow season, and come Nov, they release the hounds, it's over as far as deer movement is concerned..sitting in the woods with a bow is useless....the deer are not going to walk by me on their own, they have to be pushed, secondly, I couldn't hit a deer with an arrow if it were being run by dogs...I have two small parcels that I hunt about twice a week, anymore than that is over hunting them..I bow hunt during the week....shotgun on Sat..ok. and yes, at times Im resluts motivated, but I never sit in the woods with a bow and say I wish I had a gun....that is why I don't own a ML Jeff...I bow hunt instead...