Finally my dad sent me some pictures of his bear he shot this year In September bear hunting with his longbow. I had to scan the picture's so there not as nice looking as they should be. He shot the bear only a few days after I had left so I wasn't able to get In on all the high fiving and stuff. The bear dressed out at 240lbs. He's got a nice head on him and should have no problem making P&Y. I'm thinking he'll go right at 19" or a tad smaller. 18" Is the minimum for P&Y. The bear was at 10 yards when he zipped him from his tree stand. He then ran about 175 yards and there he layed. He caught one lung and the heart. I'm really surprised the bear went as far as It did. He got a complete pass through using XX75 1916 Aluminum arrows tipped with 130 grain Magnus II vented 2 blade's. He's pulling right around 57lbs I believe.