thanks bloodcrick, I don't know why, but the past 3 weeks have been awesome and I have only seen 6 deer in 3 weeks...sometimes it's not what you see, but what you don't see that can change your approach and thought process. it has all come back to me now here in the late season...this is the first year that i have actually hunted with a bow during shotgun season, it has been the best thing I have ever done...I have learned so much b/c of it...