Magicman is very smart man and if you listenand read between the lines there is always a moral to every story and Schultzy even told you what was meant by what magicman said. It took me 3 times of seeing mature bucks going into some tall weeds to investigate this year because it was only 50 yards off the road and the woods that were there ran along that road and were only about 80 yards wide and two hundred yards long so kinda like a 2 acre woods behind a barn and Bowtech you know what???? I shot my 163 10ptout of this stand while the Omish boys were having there driver take them home and laughing at me and Steve sitting so close to the road!!!! If just listen and try to read between the lines you just might learn something from some of these guys who have been around the woods a few times.. Walt