good point David...so you are saying the deer in general are not as spooked or as leary, and wi move more freey....?? Also, I have only seen one P&Y deer whie bowhunting in the last 17 yrs... now with that said, I have deer on my wall that woud go 125 or better, mostly gun kills, the probem here isn't that we don't have them, we have them and we have enough of them to kill....the issue is this...

1. Im not good enough yet
2. They don't move very often
3. Im not good enough yet