i have a griffon, theres pics of here on here somwheres, very very very smart dogs. mine isnt steady to wing and shot but i didnt train her to be but like the other fella said, do you kill birds w/ him?? i know mine would if i trained her but some instances i would rather have a flashpoint dog then not. but i also live in really nasty cover and shes works real close.....a 5-10 second point before a flush is fine w/ me