Long range to me is anything over 300. I work at a ranch down on Palo Duro Canyon on the weekends and a lot of what I am doing is shooting hogs. I can get up to with about twenty yards during the day before I start shooting, but I want the ability to keep shooting and making lethal shots at ranges between 300 and 400 yards. I know the .223 has the ability go that far, but as for the punch at the other end, I don't really know if it has what it takes. But the .308 might, but I don't know because I have never even shot a .308, all I know is what the balistic charts tell me.