I seen a big 8pter twice during bow season but to far for a bow .Hoping to get a shot during gun but didn't seen him the first three times i was out .But i knew he was still around because he was still rubbing trees and reopening he's scrapes. But i knew my friend needed the meat so i took a small buck instead, he was sad because he knew i wanted that big 8pter ,I told him he needed the meat worse than i need the rack.