Thanks CB. You are 100% correct. The Simmons heads are geared towards traditional bowhunters for the most part. It think the 125' s are the exception. I have some 160' s and 190' s to test yet, and am in the middle of setting up a bow to shoot the 190' s. The big problem is finding the right shaft to spine out correctly with such a heavy head! With bleeders it goes over 200 grns, but I have a pile of arrows, a saw and all day to play so I am sure I can come up with something.