my friend is one of them long range shooters.....he killed 2 does at 540 some yards i think....his dad watched through the range finder and swears on his like it happend.....showed me where he sat and you could see the gut pile....with a 243!!!!!!!!! both were just luck shots...both hit the spine way back....its always windy there and they always shoot far....they tell me about how they shoot them on the run at 300....and they do.....but they also pack ATLEAST 2 boxes of ammo a piece for any given day...not a season.......a day.....just for deer hunting.....these guys all line up on a hill where deer run through on a bottom and blast away.....then someone tags it.....their normal deer has well over 5 hits in the bodys of the deer.....and if they dont fall before they are out of site they all must have missed....i dont call that hunting....that wouldnt even be fun....im out there to be close to my game...be in my games bedroom waiting...i like being close to nature...my normal deer shot average would be less then 30yds.....with my rifle...that is hunting....and to me impressive being i can get that close to deer all the time fooling their strong noses ears and eyes...but......to each man his own i guess.....and there are some cases there arent woods and thickets to hunt....like out west and such places where a far shot may be needed.....but i agree you can always keep them under 300 or so....after that way to much can cause problems for you....its just not worth it.....we owe it to the game we are after.....