So far we have replies from somebody from OH, IL, and WI saying he's 2.5.....have you guys ever saw our NC deer? a 4.5 y/o around here will generally be 100-120"....120" being a great deer....You guys from the midwest are used to big deer. Why dont you understand that? I have worked check stations before and pulled jaw bones....2.5y/os here generally dont carry that much mass or body weight. Ive seen some 2.5y/os that are wider and maybe 8 or 10pters but not that much mass or weigh that much.