I don't know if it counts as a crippling shot when the bullet penetrates the ribs, and takes out the other shoulder, or takes out both shoulders. After such a hit the deer runs 20 to 50 yards and dies. I have also seen the same thing when I have hit them with the .270.

I am a big 30-30 fan. I think it is the perfect tool for tree-stand woods hunting where ballistics is really of no concerned. Most of my shots are a point and shoot affair. Open sights are cool on a lever gun, but in the tree stand I like a good low powered scope. It really helps me early in the morning or late in the after noon.

I shoot,
wait 15 minutes,
and then go get the deer at the end ofa short blood trail If they have not died right there.

As easy as 1,2,3.

C. Davis