Your opinion on Black Clouds is not bad advice, it's your opinion. You have the right to that. (As wrong as I think you are, JMO). The bad advice was, he could get by with cheap Winchesters, when he ask you what your favorite shell was. I tototally disagree with you on Black Cloud, but if we all agreed on everything this would be very boring. I think you should giveBlack Cloudanother chance with a factory modified choke and a little visine in your eyes. If it makes you feel any better, I would use the Federal Ultra-Shoks anytime. I think they are great shells, just not my favorite. TheBlack cloud shells are the new guyon the block and we are talking newest technology out there to make a great shell that we can afford.Good Hunting!