RE: 30-30 a crippler?
Ive killed four deer with it. And two with one shot (lucky I had two doe tags) one of them went farther than twenty yards.... The 2 with one shot happened when a group of five doe jumped up. I shot the lead doe, it went through her chest and through another doe's, that i didn't see about ten yeards behindthe first ones,chest. The second deer dropped on the spot, the first one went about fifteen yards and was dead midjump.
I love the .30-.30 I only carry it while I am driving, but it is a great quick shooter.
-Jake