hey Bigbulls the 5th wheel was a pun or a joke,we do use a 22 ft camper when we set up camp,we pull to the trailhead and set up,put up portable panels for the horses.Stay a few days there then we head out with the string and supplies.We use a canvas style alaknak w/a wood centerpole,and good outside poles of aluminum,never have buckeled yet and we leave it set up all hunting season in the back country,we are hunting out of it every chance we get.Our stove is the heaviest part,it is a old cast iron camp stove(about 100lbs) but it burns hot and cooks well. BBJ