Well you have to remember that the big boys play after dark.Thats how they get so big...One thing i did take notice to in the last 10 years in PA was the lack of farmers growing crops..Now that makes a big difference..Up here in central Ny I see 10 to maybe 12 deer every day....My son got his first ML deer yesterday up here...He lives in north east PA and he says that he is seeing fewer deer all the time..He plans on coming up again after the PA bear season..As my son said-Dad you got deer up the a-- here.......