I have two Rivers Edge Woodsman Extreme ladder stands (one XL) and I am very happy with them. I helped two friends put upa coupleGorilla ladders last weekend. They were also nice but the new Kongs are not as good as the ones they had a few years ago. We searched all over and couldn't find the older style Kongs with the wider ladder. I'm sticking with Rivers Edge. Shop around till you find what you like.