I hear ya talking, i went out yesterday afternoon, i actually could have drawn my bow on 3 bucks, all were dinks, i saw 2 other bucks, either of which i would have pulled the trigger on, just they went down the wrong side of the river bed. be back out this afternoon. Siman, you know as well as i do, they dont get big if you shoot them small. I for one, will eat my tag if i cant shoot something inthe 140 + range.