This has been one tough season for me this year, the toughest in many years. Have seen very few bucks let alone any mature bucks. I did manage to shoot a 15 inch 8pt with a muzzleloader in middle oct., but he was a 2 1/2 yr old. I have several pics on game cams of mature bucks but so far I havent seen a glimpse of them. Heck i cant seem to find any does lol. The rut should be in full swing here in Arkansas now, but i cant seem to find any sign of it. The white and red oaks hit a bumper crop this year, but I have hunted years with lots of acorns and have not had this much problem seeing deer. Just finshed the a week vacation hunting the first week of gun season and seen a total of 12 deer. Button bucks, spikes and one 14" 8pt and a few small does, never seen it this bad. Oh well reckon i was just wanting to vent, I'll get back after them friday, however I think I will try some different tactics this next weekend. Like I heard before the thing that constitutes insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting different results.