thanx guys.....i looked at the great plains hunter but its just out of my price range......id like to keep it kinda cheap becuase i am going t obe buying a truck in a little over 2 months so i should be saving my money....but dad doesnt seem to mind if i spend some and i want to start hunting with a smokepole.....i have been told a flintlock doesnt ignite pellets very well...and our regs say we can use anything in a early doe season and i can use an inline in rifle season but the long after christmas season is flintlock only still....thats the season im interested in hunting mainly...they also say any solid projectile may be used....i think im going to have my dealer order me a traditions deer hunter.....are the accessories in the kit good quality tools or are they cheap and will work but not the best?? thanx guys.....ill let you know what i end up buying......