i can assure you the excitement of the kill is valid with the primos group.i was in a club several years ago that jimmy primos also belonged and they are just like the rest of us.as far as their calls,i have taken many deer and turkey with them.in fact,i don' t use any other brand!i hunt public land so i can only envy them for taking exceptional bucks even though they be in places the average hunter will never be able to.