I never go with Outfittersanymore especially afterhearing about these types of experiences over and over.When you think of it, theyare sort of like used car salemen fromexcept used car salemen have much more integrity. An outfitters favorite line is, "this is an unhunted farm, you're the first one in this year and we've seen a few B&C bucks there this summer" Then you get in on the land and find oddles of fresh cut shooting lanes, atv tracks, gut piles, etc. etc.

The latest I heard is many of the outfitters in the areas hit really bad by EHD were collecting all of the dead mature bucks off their land and keeping it quiet so there clients didn't find out about it and then saying with a straight face when no one see's anything that it's a screwed up moon phase this year, come back next year, they'll be moving good then.

There are a few good ones but they are few and far between. Best bet is to get a group of guys together and lease your own land.

Oh, and if you're an outfitter and I offended you by reading this then... Good!