So if I got this straight JUD,if a short mag is necked up to 33-37 caliber its OK and hype and pressure are not such a factor but in 27-30 caliber they are?Hmmmmm...............so it all depends on whether you like the caliber its available in?You kinda defeated your whole post on the cons of short mags with that last statement.So weight is not a factor with short actions but gunsmiths will drill out bolt knobs and skeletonize to save weight..........I dunno,1/4# seems noticeable to me for a weight savings.Just measured my savages and the long action is 3/4" longer and overall gun length with the same barrel is 1 1/8" again not some night or day difference but a noticeable difference in action length and cycling speed and a legitimate enough difference in rifle length.Now maybe the average fellow won' t notice the slight difference in action rigidity and its effect on accuracy that a short action can make but theres lots we pay for when accurizing a rifle that likewise results in a miniscule difference in real world accuracy but gunsmiths rarely discourage it as its often the cumulative effect of several different small things that can make one noticeable difference.No I don' t " hate" you for your opinion,far from it as I respect you highly,but saying african PH' s don' t like the high pressures of the short mags really isn' t a factor I think about much when I' m buying my next rifle.To state that they will soon become a collectors item is simply ignoring the fact that they are selling well and have for several years now and look to be continuing right along at a brisk pace into the future.Care to make a little wager on one of those beautiful custom guns you produce that there will still be 270-300WSM' s being sold in another 10 years?To say they don' t do something already being done is incorrect (unless you go to a long action gun) as there are NO 270,300, or 7mm cartridges of their equal in a factory produced short action calibers available today.You ask about finding obscure 6.5 Remington ammo at Wally World but fail to mention that they don' t have 257 roberts or 260 remington or even most of the heavy magnums above 30 caliber and yet stock 270,7mm,and 300WSM mags at their stores up here.If Wally World was the criteria for using a caliber most of your favorites would not make it.I respect your opinion but think you are only anti short mag when its not in one of YOUR favorite calibers of choice and has little to do with actual merits and short comings.I never look at it like they are trying to " catch" their big brothers in performance but instead that they are offering a short action " ALTERNATIVE" to their big brothers,too many posters try to make it a competition when thats not or never has been the purpose.So what do you think,want to make a wager on if they' ll still be kicking around in 10 years?Or maybe 15?Maybe we could make it a stock out of that fancy walnut blank I was telling you about..................... As far as lighter rifles not being conducive to accuracy,thats where a good gunsmith comes into play and they can easily be made to shoot very accurately with a weight savings as a bonus, they don' t have to weigh a ton and require a gun bearer to be accurate buts thats a fallacy that some rifle builders seem to put forth.My savage WSM will shoot an inch in out of the box form with just a trigger tweak so I imagine a fellow of your " caliber" (Pun [&:])could no doubt make it a real tight shooter (light as it is)[].Remember in short mags" the animal will NEVER know if it was a long or short action that did the deed" ....................or at what " pressure" [X(]Will try to get up and by today if possible.

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