sat was the opener here in mi. Heard someone shoot a "hangfire" mz. Turned out it was the owners son-in-law. He shot a nice 8-pt, 19" spread. Used t7 pellets, 250 shockwave. Knocked him down, got up went over the hill towards the pond. He follows the deer, see's it asit jumps into the pond, statrs swimming. 1/2 way across it goes in circles, starts sinking. The young man peels off his clothes and jumps in after it!! 34 degrees, stiff nw wind!! gets the deer, his buddy gets soaked dragging him and the deer out!!! Needless to say , had the wood stove going in the tent. Those young guys are tough!!