just a little background. ive been at the hunting game quite a while and have crawled on my belly and made love to many a briar patch looking for game.so i dont like the preachy righteousness. your not the only one tracking hard.i have spent hours and days looking for hit game so lets not turn this into not trying hard enough.i was hunting an army base where you have to sign in and out and if you dont sign out within 2 hours after sunset the mp-s will come looking for you. i spent every second looking with my brother on hands and knees. i only asked about others who shot game with a particular bullet at a a short range and i was trying to compare performance. i m not jumping the gun on poor bullet performance but if the bullet failed because of poor expansion or breaking apart do to what i consider close range shots 25 yard or less i would like to know.