Well, pretty much every deer in PA has learned to look up in the trees. Over a million hunters hitting the woods each year will do that. I wear ASAT and it works for me. The only other pattern I would trust is Predator. I can honestly say that a good many of the deer I have seen in stand would have busted me and took off if I was wearing your typical Realtree Hardwoods or Mossy Oak patterns. Its not that they don't see me, its just that they don't have any idea what I am and don't view me as a threat. They will notice me in stand, but after looking my way for a few seconds they just go about their business. My point was proven this season when I had a group of 7 doe surrounding my stand (all within 15 yards), plus a spike which was beaded down and facing my direction. I was only in a 12 foot ladder stand and this was in the beginning of Nov. with no leaves on the trees for cover. I am pretty much confident that any of the big name patterns and I would have been picked off.