"I don’t believe we are losing all that many hunters. We lost some cheaters and some that were only interested in the easy killing, but not hunters. "

I think that FAR too harsh and unfair a judgement. Not as "diehard", I might agree with that. But far cry from the nonsense you attempt to label them with. Id say "cheaters" wouldnt stop shooting deer just because they didnt buy a license. Or perhaps they're MORE likely to buy one, as it helps them appear "legit".... At any rate, it is interesting how fast you are to condemn our fellow hunters, yet have nothing but glowing things to say and take offense every time "ecoextremeists" are appropriately addressed as just that. Perhaps you can show me a link to one of your posts on any message board where you've stuck up for (instead of belittled) the hunters of our state as passionately as you have the enviromentalist faction?

"If you think the hunter numbers dropped in recent years just wait until next year and point of sale doesn’t allow the people that have been getting multiple license, for the extra antler less applications, get shut down to only one license. We might find out that we are closer to the number of licenses being sold in other states that already have point of sale where hunters can’t cheat so easily."

I dont attribute that to hunter numbers dropping. I know why they are dropping. A failed deer plan and a noncaring agency that tells us to forget about the deer and go hunt squirrels.

I will be interested in seeing this years license sales after last years horrendous buck harvest.

"You’re full of bologna;"

You're probably right. Ive been eating a couple sticks of deer bologna steadyfor 3 or 4 days now.

"the extremists are in your camp not the Game Commission. The Game Commission is mandated though to manage all wildlife and for all citizens of the Commonwealth,"

Yep. And Id say we hunters with MANY nonhunting friends acquaintances and family members also fit that description, not to mention all the others within the majority who ARE NOT squalling for less deer. Add em up.

Also, Ive never said otherwise about pgcs responsibilities. Im not saying they arent responsible for many species and many stakeholders. Im saying considering all that, currently, hunters are being shafted and pgc has some newfound best buds in the new age eco-extreme field. Im not saying anything about hunters are all that matter. Thats simply a cop-out you guys like to use to avoidaddressing the real issue. Btw,Pgcs boceco-extreme views are well known, as is their tight kinship with audubon, audubon paying for deer study, their help in structuring the deer management plan, the consideration now given them in say over OUR game lands usageetc. A BAD JOKE I TELL YA!![:@]

"The people that have driven the financial situation into the ground are also the ones in your camp in cooperation with the State Legislature who have failed to fulfill their obligation of keeping a state agency financially solvent. "

They are fulfilling their duty to the people of this state. They are also acting as "check and balance" system. The job they were appointed to do btw. To insinuate they should bepaid regardless of wether they are doing their job or not is utterly rediculous. While it might be fun to fantasize about it, in real lifewe simply cant shun responsibility and expect to be rewarded for it. Pgc is finding this out the hard way.

"Hey, that is a quote I use all the time.

If does fit and is exactly why I have spent over thirty years protecting our resources. It is also the reason I come to places like this and butt heads with nitwits so others with enough functional brain cells can learn to allow professional resource management."

Im sure wecan allappreciate your service in law enforcement. Unfortunately, that doesnt help your case in this debate, as it has nothing to do with it. As forthe other issue of being here butting heads, Its your time and you may spend it as you like, but you arent fooling a soul. It generally takes someone MORE educated on the topic and unbiased to change my mind on an issue such as this. I also dont blindly take someones word forthings. I look in depth and evaluate the facts. The facts showa MISERABLY failed deer program is being clung to by a very non-hunter friendly management agency to appeaseother interests. Among them, extreme,obtuse ones. This "agenda" is far and beyond "responsible"management basics of keeping herd in line with habitat and human conflict issues.

As far as those with functional braincells, you havent a chance at swaying them.Most that fit that description dont subscribe to lip service but want proof. We've provided much to show why change is needed. Pgc has shown NOTHING that supports "staying the course". The plan is a proven failure using THEIR OWN preset guidelines. Funny how these guidelines only matter when they equal less deer. Otherwise they become nonexistent.[8D]