I read the whole thread skeeder. Bottom line is your attacking our DOW and calling them liars, even in your last post. Not honest=liar. I know a ton of Colarodo Dow employees and they are not liars. They go out of their way to help you all they can. This year I had 2 DOW officers passing my name and phone numbers out to land owners to help me fill my bear tag. I think you need to take this years elk hunt and try to learn from it and see what you can do to be successful next year. Blaming your hunt on the DOW makes no sense at all.